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  • I was taking photos of everything that caught my attention and I took one of him. He saw me but did not look straight at camera. I brought the camera down and he took a glimpse of my face and did not recognize me at first. I smiled and I saw the surprise flood his face. We haven't seen each other since end of summer. He said my hair has grown longer and I told him he looks tired. He said he was and that since he pitched his tent he went home in Topanga only three or four times to shower, charge batteries and edit - which I wasn't sure I believed in. He told us about the violence he saw, how he felt scared, and of course shared few stories of all the characters he met down there in these past two weeks. One of them was Jeremy Rothe-Kushel and he was about to go and have a short interview with him right infront of the employee entrance of the City Hall. He asked if I want to take some photos and video and I agreed.

    By the time I set up and start filming, Jeremy was in the middle of his sentence.

    ".....Large part comes through the spanish anarchist movement. And so those two combined are a very powerful form of direct democratic action. Because you are taking your public space and at the same time you are doing a direct democracy."

    Sam asked: "So is this the chaos before the order?"

    Jeremy smiles "In many ways, yes, this is the chaos before the organic order emerges. A lot of people don't have the patience for the intensity of friction of the consensus process in terms of democracy. There is a LOT of work in the midst of that - to hear the voices - even those you think are completely off point - or don't make any sense or are completely non principled from your own view point, but from that I'd say emerges a higher order of cooperative intelligence and that's what I believe is going on here (pointing behind him at south stairs of City Hall). It looks chaotic and it is chaotic to a certain extent, but in the midst of that is the higher order of human cooperative intelligence emerges with all the voices around the table when none is rejected. I decided to call the City Hall - the inside of Occupy LA"

    A police officer approaches us and talks to Jeremy with a request to move down the stairs and Jeremy asks why and what is the reasoning behind their request.

    "You need to move down, please. We are trying to be reasonable here".

    Sam says " We are just doing our interview and this is a public space, so I don't understand why we should move. And so if we decide to finish our interview and don't move, then what?"

    Officer says "Why do you have to make things more complicated then they are?"
    Jeremy " We are not - you interrupted us, we would have finished our interview if you didn't come here and...."
    Officer 2 "You are transpassing."
    Jeremy "No we are not."
    Officer 2 "There is a sign right there"
    Jeremy reads the sign aloud: City employee entrance only. Public entrance located on Main street.
    Jeremy "It doesn't say anywhere that we can not be here.
    Pause
    Officer 1 "You have credentials to show you are media?" and talks into his radio.
    Sam lists few names and explains shortly where he stands "Is that enough credentials for you?" then he says "And you never answered my question - what happens if we wanna finish the interview here and don' move?"
    Officer 1 "My supervisor is coming down to talk to you."
    Sam "So can we continue with our interview while we wait?
    Officer 1 "Yes."

    Sam's camera has been running throughout so he just turns around and Jeremy moves to his spot and the interview continues.
    Jeremy " So where we stoped was where I was saying that I call City Hall the inside of Occupy LA. And that this is the real democracy thats going on here (pointing behind him towards the Occupiers). What's going on here has massively more legitimacy then what's going on here (pointing at the City Hall building). To me, what's going on inside many of our government buildings is corporatist sponsored criminal activities fronted as public policies. It's basically political clown parade. You know many people have made the point that politicians should ware on their costumes the logos of their sponsors just like NASCAR drivers do. To me that makes a lot of sense. The people out here (pointing at the park) are only sponsored by their hearts and souls and their own conscience and willingness to be engaged in one of the most difficult aspects of human relations which is deliberative and inclusive direct democracy."

    The interview continues as 5 police officers are standing right behind us, yet none coming to interrupt again. It ends with this thought by Jeremy.

    "To me the idea is to occupy the ethical depths and creative horizons of our hearts and minds, and that's what this is really about. To not be afraid to go deep, to face darkness, in all of it's forms."
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